Relation of "ordination" and the Trinity?

Posted Apr 09, 2014 by Bobby B in General Hits: 7,949

Found these interesting quotes from "Adventist  Today" and wanted to share these with you.  Since the mid 1950's SDA's adopted an "economical" incarnational, Sonship Trinity adopted from the late Dr. Walter Martin.  Yet, some SDA scholors today are using the same arguments  against W.O. and the "economic" role-playing Trinity itseslf, in an attempt to prove divine, and human subordinationism.  In other words, the battle over W.O. will fuel the redefinition of modern SDA's "version" of the Trinity.


"Is there a relationship between view of male-female roles and views of the Trinity? Yes, said Hemmings, one's view of the Trinity does influence one's view of how men and women should relate and how authority should operate in the church. The Jesus story has as much to say about the nature of humanity as it does about the nature of God, and this is a question that Adventists have not resolved yet. She pointed out that the Pauline literature includes a low Christology (view of Christ’s nature and relationship to the divine). 1 Corinthians 11, for example, represents God the Father as the sole Head with Christ at God’s right hand. By contrast, a high Christology presents Christ as fully God in every way."  [emphasis supplied]


"Many of those who oppose WO fear that were women ordained, this would be the proverbial slippery slope to reinterpreting the Adventist teachings on homosexuality, creation, or even, as I have heard said, the Sabbath! That apprehension seems grounded, however, on fear mongering and not on logic or reason. We have a doctrine—part of the 28, in fact!—on sexuality, creation, and the Sabbath. We do not have a doctrine of ordination. In fact, I would go so far as to say that there is far more danger of a “slippery slope” to reinterpretation of Adventist doctrine from those who promote male headship on the basis of the eternal submission of Christ to the Father than there is from the ordination of women! The eternal submission of Jesus denies the full godhead of Jesus. It would make Adventists polytheists and change our whole concept of the atonement from Adventist economical trinitarianism to a Catholic ontological Trinity."  [emphasis supplied]


"Cindy Tutsch                       

about a month ago

Most, if not all, of the presenters at the TOSC who were opposed to the ordination of women for ministry used the eternal submission of Jesus to the Father as their template for the relationship of women to men in the church today.  This concept, derived as it is from complementarian evangelicals and catholic theology of the eternal procession of the Son from the Father, is a serious deviation from Seventh-day Adventist theology and our understanding of the Trinity. Yet, those scholars who oppose WO hang tenaciously onto this pernicious redefinition of the biblical doctrine of God, for without it, it would be virtually impossible to defend male headship in the church today.
If we understand one of the members of the Godhead to be even functionally the leader from eternity,  we are close to modalism and/or polytheism.  Angel Rodriguez puts it this way:  "If one member of the Godhead has to tell the others what to do and when to do it, then, we have to conclude that the exercise of the divine attributes of the other two is being limited or that not all of them have the same divine attributes."
Rodriguez continues, "The idea of eternal headship within the Godhead would require a redefinition of the doctrine of the atonement. At the core of the atonement is the love of God manifested in self-sacrificing and disinterested divine salvific actions toward sinners.  There was nothing that forced God to save us.  The eternal headship of the Father could imply that the sacrifice of the Son was the result of an order given by the Father to Him to save us; the assignment of a function.  This would destroy the biblical doctrine of the atonement and would damage in a radical way the biblical understnad of the nature of divine love."  (hyper links do not work on this site, but this citation is from Angel Rodriguez' paper, "Evaluation of the Arguments Used by those Opposing the Ordination of Women to the Ministry,"  found at"