Separating Christ from His work

Posted Mar 15, 2014 by Torsten Maekler in The Spirit of God Hits: 401

Yesterday we had an interesting (but short) discussion in Sabbath School. After reading John 16,7-14 one member pointed out how important it is for him that the Holy Spirits work is what enables him to stand before God. All this leading into truth, convicting of sin, and pointing to righteousness is to him of utmost important.

So far, so good. Then he stated: Christ is not able to do this work and it is good that someone else is here to do this for him.


You possibly can imagine that I was shocked of the latter part of that statement. I asked myself: didn' we just read different? So I pointed to a part of that passage. Joh 16,12-14: "I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."


This to me sounds like that it is the work of Jesus which will guide us into all truth. Because the Holy Spirit is just the channel of communication between Christ and us, and not the source of this leading into all truth. He does not do this out of himself. The Spirit will not speak of himself but what he will hear, he will communicate to us (like a phone cord, if I may use this crude description). Everything that Christ is and has comes to us through the channel of the Holy Spirit. Like Christ is the channel of all things which origin in the Father, the Holy Spirit is the channel of all things which Christ posesses and is. Christ through the Spirit has become our "everlasting Father" (Isa 9,6); the source of our being.


"While Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, “Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matthew 28:20. While He delegates His power to inferior ministers, His energizing presence is still with His church." {DA 166.2}


So I pointed out that there is a connection between Jesus and the Holy Spirit: "That Christ should manifest Himself to them, and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. They were thinking of the outward, visible manifestation. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and yet He be unseen by the world. They did not understand the meaning of a spiritual manifestation."


Joh 14,22-26: "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."


Yes, the Holy Spirit performs the task of telling us what is so important that Jesus wants us to know. But he does it not out of himself as a separate work from what Jesus is doing in the heavenly sanctuary. On the contrary. It is Jesus who is teaching us all things, and brings to remembrance what he says and has said. The Holy Spirit just performs the function of a living phone cord (don't want to denegrade the Spirit but that is simply his job description). And well, speaking to us is not that easy of a task, so it is no small task he is doing.

So, if Christ and the Spirit are totally separated from each other then how could Ellen White write about the fact, that we would have the presence of Christ with us? If I would speak to Tom and tell him what Marc has said, there would be no presence of Marc be there. But that is different with the Holy Spirit. There is more to the Spirit than just being a person. He brings to us the personal presence of Christ when dwelling in us.This is a divine advantage Christ has over Satan. Satan can only work through the five senses to lure us into his traps. But Christ can work in us through the working of His Spirit.


[added by me]:

"Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. [The Spirit has no human substance like Christ now has]. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall (although unseen by you), [This phrase was added by Ellen White.] teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” [John 14:26]. “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will come not unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you” [John 16:7]. {14MR 23.3}